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CHIM and the Übermensch

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15:06 30/11/2025

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I read a bit on the Übermensch yesterday and I couldn't stop thinking of CHIM while doing so. My understanding is quite vague but here's someone of my thoughts.

CHIM could be based on the Ubermensch idea. I found the following relations between the two: (I'm sure it could be better. Please do expand on it if you can/wish)

The camel, the lion, the child. The 3 "steps" (?) of becoming an Ubermensch.

The camel walks through the desert (life) while carrying the burdens of life like morals, shame, guilt, vice, death of loved ones etc.

Then the camel becomes a lion. It embraces the burdens and hardships of life and accepts them, not carrying them, but walking with them. "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Then the child. After carrying the burdens of life, then accepting them, it lets go and become something...else. Something new. "Childhood is innocence and forgiveness".

At this point, I believe, you either Zero-Sum or achieve CHIM (Ubermensch)

Both ideas of CHIM and the Ubermensch are about embracing and eventually exceeding mortality and it's hardships, becoming something new and better.

The goal of the Ubermenschen wis to embrace life and mortality and then go beyond it, becoming a new race of humans, on a psychological level. They were to exceede mortality and create a new world. (Metaphorically speaking, to some degree)

Same with CHIM, except that it's to be taken literally rather than metaphorically.

Anti-CHIM and "The Last Man"

The "Last Man" is what Nietzsche envisions as the result of nihilism. A hedonistic person who is apathetic and has no passions, only cares about his own comfort and security, basically lives an empty existence. There is no drive to do anything because it's all meaningless after all.

"The lives of the last men are pacifist and comfortable. There is no longer a distinction between ruler and ruled, strong over weak or supreme over the mediocre. Social conflict and challenges are minimized. Every individual lives equally and in "superficial" harmony. There are no original or flourishing social trends and ideas. Individuality and creativity are suppressed."

This is Dagoth Ur/The Sharmat's idea of a Nirn or even Mundus in which only Dagoth exists. "All is me."

Nietzsche himself said that only 2 people by date (his date not the current date ofc) were Ubermenschs. He didn't really consider himself one.

The 2 known people to achieve CHIM in TES were Talos and Vivec.

Nietzsche is Lorkhan?

Lorkhan failed CHIM to show us how not to do it. He couldn't achieve it because he was immortal. He had a lack of mortality and life. He did CHIM in theory not in practice.

Nietzsche didn't consider himself an Ubermensch. He couldn't become one because he was a nihilist. But he taught us how to do it. He did the Ubermensch in theory not in practice.

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